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Well written article.....
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document.write("Rugby facts aside, the Lions' reaction and comments are typical of the whining and negativity which is ubiquitous in their part of the world, especially in their media.. ");
document.write("agreed
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document.write("Lions, should that not rather be Hienas. Their is no pride in being a rotten tooth pom in any case and, like in everything, we only hear about british fairplay- someone needs to point out the meaning of the word to those mud island QUEENS.
McGeechan is the typical pom, loudmouth and utterly unable to accept defeat. Hey you sh#ts, you dont rule the world any longer, you are just a small mud island with unwashed people off the coast of Europe and, worth nothing and are only good to be labourers, but cant even manage that, the dole is much more to your likening. TJ Ferreira");
document.write("Spot on
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document.write("If \"Lions\" like Mike Phillips and Andrew Sheridan (and a few others) had spent more time thinking about the game, and less time opening their gobs trying to ruffle a few feathers, they may have actually won the match.
It's typical of the general defeatist mindset of people in the UK. It's always everyone else's fault except their own. Schalk Burger aside they don;t have a leg to stand on.
Frankly, they should just shut up, go to Ellis Park and lose the last test, and then ###### off back to the UK. Even the bloody Aussies are more gracious than this lot.
Oh... and prepared to be klapped on our end of season tour... again!. Mart");
document.write("So true!
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document.write("Cannot agree more, the Lions played well and all credit to them, but don't complain about losing. They came to SA stating that they will come to outmuscle the Springboks. The Lions must not go crying now if it backlashed on them.
What a hard played game!
. Sakkie");
document.write("'GIANTS in defeat@..... read on.....
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document.write("http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,15723_5403762,00.html
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document.write("Finally some sense.
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document.write("Everyone is so 'Schalk'ified that we've forgotten about the 4 penalties against the lions for dangerous tackles..
They're a bunch of whingy whiny yobs; I won't be upset if we never play a lions series again. I'm tired of them trying to take away from our wins 'cause they don't know how to lose.. HillBilly");
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document.write("What a shoddy and provocvative bit of bad writing. I haven't heard of any Lion, or their team management, say anything other than it was a damned hard match which they could, maybe should, have won - hardly the stuff to inspire Peters to vomit bile, especially given Burger's stupidity and Bakkies' roughhouse tactics. Like it or not what they did defines our victory. Get these thugs out of our game and perhaps we'll get the unqualified support abroad the other players earned in spades with their grit, tenacity and skill. . BOK FAN");
document.write("mentality
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document.write("Do I remember the English team doing a victory lap after a draw????
Surely this reflects the attitude and mentality of a team/side that once had a '99' call!!
Not much has changed. chickie");
document.write("A bit of both
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document.write("I must agree that there has not been much whining from the Lions management but maybe from some of the players. In the end, the scoreboard says 2-0 to SA but in reality SA was very lucky.
Take away the scrum problems the Lions had in Durban and they would have won. And if they would not have lost both their Props in 2 minutes at Loftus, they would also have won.
What I find very interesting as well is that the Lions have twice been blown (one which cost them 3 points) for doing exactly the same move as SA - which in out case lead to Habana's try on Saturday. Consistency of refereeing is a major problem in Rugby, not only in a match but more so between various referees.
Burger's ban is a blessing, Brussow should be playing every minute of every match and so should Morne Steyn. I hope that Div gets banned as well for his racist comments. Maybe then we will get proper team selection.. TK");
document.write("whinging and whining!
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document.write("Well said Rob! I hope all the Lion supporters and players could read what you have written! Perfect summary of whats going on with/being said by- the \"sore losers\". Rouen De Villiers");
document.write("Lions sore losers
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document.write("As a staunch Bok supporter I am the first to say \"Schalk you've let your country down and deserve the punishment. You can be lucky it is not longer.\" To the Lions \"As Boy Louw said: Look at the score\" Accept the losses grasciously as many a team had to do in the past.. Dave");
document.write("So true
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document.write("These lions are roaring about their defeats , but they rather sound like a lot of yelping jackals . They play great rugby against weakened provincial sides , bu crumble when it comes to the real manne . Go and lick your wounds and those of your tame pups at home, Mr Mcgeek ! . oelof");
document.write("Your point makes no sense
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document.write("How can you say we were lucky to win, what if they had not had scrum problems in Durban. We caused their problems. That's like saying we were lucky they did not score a try because we tackled the ball carrier. That's the game man.. AJ @TK");
document.write("Lions - welcome to South Africa - now f^ck off.
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document.write(". Wallyumbibo");
document.write("South Africa where men are men - and the maids hide at night once madam has gone to bed.
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document.write(". Henrik");
document.write("British lions once - now British #####s.
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document.write(". Martin F");
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document.write("The laws of rugby are so open to interpretation, that the final result of a game is usually based on the arbitary decissions of the ref. Both sides whinge when it goes against them. The Boks all whinged in '97 when they were no doubt the better side. That's the way the cookie crumbles.. Hawkeye");
document.write("Whiners vs Foul Players
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document.write("Although the score settles it once and for all, the more attractive rugby from set pieces did come from the Lions in both games. The brilliant line breaks orchestrated by the experienced trio of Du Preez, Habana and Pietersen apart, the Boks on attack looked less than sharp. As South African rugby fans we must accept that Matfield, Du Plessis, Burger and Botha are to a man a disgrace to this supposedly proud rugby nation. They may be athletic with great strength but so are half the bouncers in Gauteng nightclubs. Their constant pushing and shoving, cheap shots and pathetic attempts at intimidation of any team not just the Lions just serve to impress the primary school bullies who find them so inspirational. Put Bakkies and Sheridan together in a pub brawl and see who gets his lights wacked out. Pity Bakkies had the ref and the world watching. Our players should execute their skills in a more sportsmanlike manner. Take a lesson from Fourie Du Preez & Brussouw rugby efficiency and professionalism personified. Our Boks richly deserve the title of the filthiest players in world rugby.Thanks Bakkies, Bismarck Matfield and Schalk you guys did it for us! PLEASE Get out of rugby - you are going to be remembered for all the wrong reasons. When next a match commissioner bans a South African player for an incident then everyone wails - \" why are we always treated so harshly!!??? Yeah Go figure!!! . AV");
document.write("Matfield is not dirty
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document.write("How on earth can you claim Matfield as being dirty!?. george");
document.write("Whiners vs Foul Players...... come on bud
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document.write("Tough call on matfield as a dirty player. As for Sheridan, obviously you missed his cheap shot groin punch on Bekker, and O Driscoll's (jeez he is rubbish) no arms on Danie Rossouw. Bakkies is a great, and his clean out was no different from Simon Shaws. Youre right on Burger - perhaps a season in the sin bin may be more appropriate for eye gouging. As for the whining, our coach (although crazy) doesn't moan when we lose. An we are a proud rugby nation, not a supposed one. It wasnt pretty, but we won when the pressure was on.. Sheepdog");
document.write("Lions Without Pride
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document.write("As a Lions fan I find it sad that for you winning is clearly not enough. I agree that we were beaten by a better side with greater strength in depth. Don't cheapen a great sporting event by cheap shots and offensive comments as well. It degrades your great sportsmen (Burger excepted) and frankly it comes across as typical chip-on-the shoulder rhetoric whicjh does nothing positive for your nation.. Gills");
document.write("Lions 1997
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document.write("Whateva bru! I don't care what the Lions say - I was in London in 1997 and took serious flak in \"South African\" pubs from Lions supporters following our series loss. We didn't whinge and gripe - so they should just take it like men. Well said Rob - O'Driscoll is the luckiest Irishman alive a) to escape any cards game time and b) to evade being cited!. Mick");
document.write("POMS
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document.write("Spot on! Their whining is even worse than their original Land Rovers on a cold winter's morning...or HRH's cry for another G&T...! Suka,hamba wena!. Simon");
document.write("Whinging is part of the game
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document.write("Whinging is part of the game, makes it more interesting. What else is there to write about once the scoreline is settled. . Jonny");
document.write("Lions - sore losers?
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document.write("As an Australian I am almost invariably embarrassed at the treatment of visiting cricket teams by our sporting press. As a ormer South Afrian I am shocked at the comments I have jus read here. I fondly remember more gracious rugby lovers, and players who gave their all on the field and then socialsed off it. I guess the internet brings ou the yobbo in many of us. Sad to see, old 'Bokke. I guess I'll barrack for the Wallabies now. Pity . Bob");
document.write("SOUTH AFRICA
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document.write("A FRIEND SENT ME THE WEBSITE RE AN ARTICLE ON FRANSCHHOEK..WHERE I HAVE INVESTED SOME OF MY RETIREMENT MONEY FROM ABROAD... AND I STUMBLED ON THE RUGBY ARTICLE BY ACCIDENT. HOW UTTERLY DEPRESSING ARE THE COMMENTS... IT WAS A GRAND MATCH WITH TOO MANY INJURIES...PLAYERS NOW TOO BIG AND FAST ?..AND THE GENERAL COMMENTARIES FORM THE BRITISH PRESS HAVE BEEN LAUDATORY RE SA.. BUT REFLECTING HOW HARD THE OUTCOME WAS TO FOR LIONS SUPPORTERS...6000 MILES FROM HOME..I WENT ON SUCH A TRIP TO OZ AND WAS SERENADED HOME ON THE SYDNEY TRAIN WITH INSULTING SONGS BY AUSTRALIAN SUPPORTERS AND VOWED NOT TO SPEND MY ONEY THAT WAY AGAIN.. IN PASSING I WHOLLY CONCUR WITH THE WALLABY SUPPORTERS COMMENTS..THE BULK OF THE COMMENTS BY SOUTH AFRICANS AND I AM ONE,ALBEIT OVERSEAS ARE DEPRESSING .. WHEN I LEFT THE COUNTRY SOME TIME AGO ONE OF THE ASPECTS I LIKED LEAST OF MY COUNTRY WAS THE HIDING BEHIND SPORTS TEAMS..ITS SOMEWHAT DISCONCERTING TO SEE THE IMMATURITY AND SHEER CALLOWNESS OF THE VIEWS EXPRESSED..
AND IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY I AM RISKING FAMILY MONEY BACK THERE . GARRY SOUTHERN");
document.write("Lions sore-losers?
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document.write("Come on guys, seriously. The Lions played very well, as did SA. The comment about what happened to the old gentlemanly spirit in the game is right. Where is it here? You guys even get offensive when you win and to make childish comments about the UK and its' people is probably not looking close enough to home first before you make them! The British press are nothing to do with the rugby fans. The Lions fans have been great in SA and gracious losers. The Boks base their rugby on barely controlled violence, simple fact. The Lions tried to match it and did a good job and without the injuries would be 1-1. But gouging is gouging. Sorry PdV.. Lion Marshall");
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document.write("The British Lions certainly are sore losers. Their dismissing the Springboks' wins as nothing but luck is totally unsportsman-like and shameful.
Before they set off for South Africa, their team management and the British media were banging on and on about their \"invincibles\" and the historic wins from years past and how this current team were going to match and front up against the physical side of the Springboks play with their own. Only when they found out literally how much harder and better the current Springboks were, they went crying foul all over the place.
Yes, we all know what an idiot Burger is (and nobody condones what he did except PdeVilliers who is an imbecile) and he deserves whatever length of ban he gets. Bur from the way their management and the media reacted, it was as though he had committed murder and claiming this sort of thing is a particularly a \"Southern Hemisphere thing\" conveniently forgetting that far more players in the Northern Hemisphere have been cited and banned for eye gauging.
They need to know that moaning about lack of respect is useless. You want respect, you have to give respect where it's due as well.. MTM");
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document.write("There is some serious, pathetic, ignorant, downwright offensive ranting going on here which sounds like the worst kind of whinging to me. Whatever anyone says about the Lions management or the British media no one can deny that the Lions played with immense pride and skill in both games. Why you guys are trying to sour a great sporting event is beyond me. Could it be because Bok pride has been hurt because they and their fans so confidently and arrogantly predicted they would \"smash\" the Lions whereas they just about s####ed a win in both games?
The politics of the game and the continuation of the Lions tours means that McGeechan has to talk up the performances somewhat, because a lot of people are calling for the end of Lions tours. This tour has been a great example of why that would be such a shame.. Lion L Blair");
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document.write("Lion L Blair .... so you think they just about #####ed a win in both games?
Let's see .... 1st test the Bok coach took off 6 main players to experiment with subs with 20 minutes to play, so the Lions were able to come back into the game .... Boks still hold them off for a win.
Second game the Lions were way ahead but the Boks were able to come back last 20 minutes and win.
It's called having guts and character and being plain better than the opposition. You want respect, give respect man.
. MTM");
document.write("One argument for British teams and another for the rest
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document.write("The Schalk Burger incident cannot possibly be condoned; however, the Lions (and British sport in general, as reflected through their biased media) have a tendency to complain and whinge when things go against them. Irishman Alan Quinlan was cited and banned for 12 weeks for making contact with the eye area of an opponent in the Heineken Cup semi-final prior to the British Lions tour, after he had already been selected for the squad. Did they make a fuss about it in the British media. No. Had he been available i.e. if no longer suspended, they would have quite happily taken him on the tour to SA.
But here's the best bit. To quote from British news media:
Quinlan received a glowing character reference from his Munster and Lions captain Paul O'Connell.
O'Connell did not see the alleged incident but said after the game: 'If it looked bad I am sure there was nothing in it. He is a tough player. It is the one thing he hasn't got in his record book.'
Quinlan was been banned for three weeks after being cited for stamping in a game against New Zealand towards the end of 2008.
A case of one argument for the British teams and another for everyone else? - Peter Groves
. Peter Groves");
document.write("You Won
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document.write("YOU WON!!!BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. NOW PLEASE STOP WHINING.. Lion L Blair");
document.write("Someone (in the UK) has finally given the South African rugby team some credit ...
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document.write("Time to give credit where it's due:-
http://www.planetrugby.com/lions-09/story/0,25883,16016_5407958,00.html. Peter Groves");
document.write("Other thoughts
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document.write("I am just glad this Lions Tour is coming to an end as it has now ended up in a circus! Hell I was so impressed with Frik Du Preez's comments last night on Boot's and All. I just can't imagine anyone talking about this tour with fond memories like the previous tours. Is it only this tour that had so many side shows?. John");
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